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		<title>By: DCMom</title>
		<link>http://www.hjblogs.com/ed/teachersboard-continue-negotiation-talks/comment-page-1/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>DCMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree that finding the criteria to rate the teachers on is the sticking point.  There should be some testing of the students or surveys from the parents that could be utilized to show who the people believe are doing a good job.

My children have had some fabulous teachers that went over and beyond for the students in their classes and then there have been some horror stories on how some of the teachers have taught. (the worst one in particular left the district---yee hah)

Right now the average pay for a teacher in this district is $47,743.  If you take that pay and divide it over the nine months that most actually work; then take that monthly figure and take it times twelve months the average yearly salary equals $63,657.33.  That is a nice paycheck and now they will get a 4% raise on that.  They will be making approximately 1.75 times what I make in a year working full time 40 hours a week, 49 weeks a year (I have earned 3 weeks vacation time).  Even though my boss acknowledges that I deserve a raise, the funds are not there so I won't be recieving one this year.  Maybe that will help you understand my frustration on them automatically getting a raise.  I even read some articles that said the union estimated that the average raise that the teachers would get on their contracts was 2.7% or something like that as that is what the cost of living went up this last year.  Seems like they should be very happy with the contract that the board gave them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree that finding the criteria to rate the teachers on is the sticking point.  There should be some testing of the students or surveys from the parents that could be utilized to show who the people believe are doing a good job.</p>
<p>My children have had some fabulous teachers that went over and beyond for the students in their classes and then there have been some horror stories on how some of the teachers have taught. (the worst one in particular left the district&#8212;yee hah)</p>
<p>Right now the average pay for a teacher in this district is $47,743.  If you take that pay and divide it over the nine months that most actually work; then take that monthly figure and take it times twelve months the average yearly salary equals $63,657.33.  That is a nice paycheck and now they will get a 4% raise on that.  They will be making approximately 1.75 times what I make in a year working full time 40 hours a week, 49 weeks a year (I have earned 3 weeks vacation time).  Even though my boss acknowledges that I deserve a raise, the funds are not there so I won&#8217;t be recieving one this year.  Maybe that will help you understand my frustration on them automatically getting a raise.  I even read some articles that said the union estimated that the average raise that the teachers would get on their contracts was 2.7% or something like that as that is what the cost of living went up this last year.  Seems like they should be very happy with the contract that the board gave them.</p>
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		<title>By: TerryMoore</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerryMoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DCMom -- The only problem that I have is how do you define "linking pay to merit"?  You are not dealing with increases in sales, output or any of the normal measurements used in business.  You are dealing with kids who are all different and come from different backrounds and environments.

How can you possibly measure merit if one teacher has a class of normal, adjusted kids who all pass a test versus a teacher how has a class of (sorry to be blunt) stupid kids from broken homes who all fail the test?

What criteria can you use that is fair and objective?  I agree that I would like to link pay with results or merit but I find it almost impossible to determine how to truly measure and rate teachers objectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCMom &#8212; The only problem that I have is how do you define &#8220;linking pay to merit&#8221;?  You are not dealing with increases in sales, output or any of the normal measurements used in business.  You are dealing with kids who are all different and come from different backrounds and environments.</p>
<p>How can you possibly measure merit if one teacher has a class of normal, adjusted kids who all pass a test versus a teacher how has a class of (sorry to be blunt) stupid kids from broken homes who all fail the test?</p>
<p>What criteria can you use that is fair and objective?  I agree that I would like to link pay with results or merit but I find it almost impossible to determine how to truly measure and rate teachers objectively.</p>
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		<title>By: DCMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>DCMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry- I find it pretty hard to misunderstand the statement 

"An annual report card from Education Week magazine gave Minnesota low marks for its TEACHING QUALITY and said the stateâ€™s education spending was middle-of-the-pack."

Teaching quality? Mmmm-to me that says something on the work the teachers are doing.  Now that may be closely tied with the amount of education spending, but the fact remains that there had to have been some lacking in the teaching somewhere.  Ultimately it is the teachers that are suppose to perform, that is what they are paid for, to teach the children.

Otherwise why would the head of the education system say this? Education Commissioner Alice Seagren said the report will prompt more discussion of ways to IMPROVE TEACHING and ATTRACT MORE HIGHLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO THE PROFESSION.
This gives us an opportunity to really examine our policies in Minnesota,â€ she said.
Seagren noted the state already has policies to improve math and science teaching and to link teacher pay to merit.

Her comment on linking teacher pay to merit is all that I am asking for.  You should not be entitled to a raise simply because you are a member of a union.  Your pay should be based on the work that you do.
Not just an across the board raise for everyone.

Just my thoughts.  No one has to like my thoughts but me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry- I find it pretty hard to misunderstand the statement </p>
<p>&#8220;An annual report card from Education Week magazine gave Minnesota low marks for its TEACHING QUALITY and said the stateâ€™s education spending was middle-of-the-pack.&#8221;</p>
<p>Teaching quality? Mmmm-to me that says something on the work the teachers are doing.  Now that may be closely tied with the amount of education spending, but the fact remains that there had to have been some lacking in the teaching somewhere.  Ultimately it is the teachers that are suppose to perform, that is what they are paid for, to teach the children.</p>
<p>Otherwise why would the head of the education system say this? Education Commissioner Alice Seagren said the report will prompt more discussion of ways to IMPROVE TEACHING and ATTRACT MORE HIGHLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO THE PROFESSION.<br />
This gives us an opportunity to really examine our policies in Minnesota,â€ she said.<br />
Seagren noted the state already has policies to improve math and science teaching and to link teacher pay to merit.</p>
<p>Her comment on linking teacher pay to merit is all that I am asking for.  You should not be entitled to a raise simply because you are a member of a union.  Your pay should be based on the work that you do.<br />
Not just an across the board raise for everyone.</p>
<p>Just my thoughts.  No one has to like my thoughts but me.</p>
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		<title>By: TerryMoore</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerryMoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dcmom -- I believe you have misread the article you posted.  This was a study about the state policies and not about the individuals who are doing the teaching.

If you look at the statements "The low score came mostly from the stateâ€™s lack of various teaching programs and effectiveness measures that other stateâ€™s have. For example, the state was docked for lacking a statewide program to reduce class sizes."  You will realize that the study shows that the state policies are not supportive of the teachers and that is where the low marks come from.

The statement "On the upside, the report showed that Minnesota studentâ€™s chances for success based on education and family factors were far better than students in most other states. In that category, Minnesota got a B+, and ranked seventh nationwide."  Tells me that the teachers and parents are doing a very good job in our state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dcmom &#8212; I believe you have misread the article you posted.  This was a study about the state policies and not about the individuals who are doing the teaching.</p>
<p>If you look at the statements &#8220;The low score came mostly from the stateâ€™s lack of various teaching programs and effectiveness measures that other stateâ€™s have. For example, the state was docked for lacking a statewide program to reduce class sizes.&#8221;  You will realize that the study shows that the state policies are not supportive of the teachers and that is where the low marks come from.</p>
<p>The statement &#8220;On the upside, the report showed that Minnesota studentâ€™s chances for success based on education and family factors were far better than students in most other states. In that category, Minnesota got a B+, and ranked seventh nationwide.&#8221;  Tells me that the teachers and parents are doing a very good job in our state.</p>
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		<title>By: dcmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article should show why I don't believe that teachers across the board should be entitled to a raise every year just because they are part of a union.

Education Week Magazine Slams Minn. Teaching
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) â€• An annual report card from Education Week magazine gave Minnesota low marks for its teaching quality and said the state's education spending was middle-of-the-pack.
   
The group's "Quality Counts" annual report on K-12 education gave Minnesota a D+ for how well the state is improving its teaching. In that category, the state placed 39th out of 50 states and the District of Columbia.
   
The low score came mostly from the state's lack of various teaching programs and effectiveness measures that other state's have. For example, the state was docked for lacking a statewide program to reduce class sizes.
   
Minnesota ranked 22nd in terms of state funding for schools and how the money is divided out.
   
On the upside, the report showed that Minnesota student's chances for success based on education and family factors were far better than students in most other states. In that category, Minnesota got a B+, and ranked seventh nationwide.
   
Education Commissioner Alice Seagren said the report will prompt more discussion of ways to improve teaching and attract more highly qualified people to the profession.
   
"This gives us an opportunity to really examine our policies in Minnesota," she said.
   
Seagren noted the state already has policies to improve math and science teaching and to link teacher pay to merit.
   
"We can look at this report and say, 'What are we doing and how can we grow those things?"' Seagren said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article should show why I don&#8217;t believe that teachers across the board should be entitled to a raise every year just because they are part of a union.</p>
<p>Education Week Magazine Slams Minn. Teaching<br />
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) â€• An annual report card from Education Week magazine gave Minnesota low marks for its teaching quality and said the state&#8217;s education spending was middle-of-the-pack.</p>
<p>The group&#8217;s &#8220;Quality Counts&#8221; annual report on K-12 education gave Minnesota a D+ for how well the state is improving its teaching. In that category, the state placed 39th out of 50 states and the District of Columbia.</p>
<p>The low score came mostly from the state&#8217;s lack of various teaching programs and effectiveness measures that other state&#8217;s have. For example, the state was docked for lacking a statewide program to reduce class sizes.</p>
<p>Minnesota ranked 22nd in terms of state funding for schools and how the money is divided out.</p>
<p>On the upside, the report showed that Minnesota student&#8217;s chances for success based on education and family factors were far better than students in most other states. In that category, Minnesota got a B+, and ranked seventh nationwide.</p>
<p>Education Commissioner Alice Seagren said the report will prompt more discussion of ways to improve teaching and attract more highly qualified people to the profession.</p>
<p>&#8220;This gives us an opportunity to really examine our policies in Minnesota,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>Seagren noted the state already has policies to improve math and science teaching and to link teacher pay to merit.</p>
<p>&#8220;We can look at this report and say, &#8216;What are we doing and how can we grow those things?&#8221;&#8216; Seagren said.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Grad</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Grad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to Dassel Grandma: I actually already have two children of my own, I was a single mom for 3 years before getting married 1 1/2 years ago. Do I know how hard it is to support a family? Absolutely! I struggled very hard for a few years. I feel like I struggled more than anyone I know, but it has made me who I am today.

The statistics show that the children of most single parents end up in poverty. How did I keep my kids and myself for being a statistic? Education! I can't tell you how much it has empowered me and given me so much hope for the future. I agree I am fortunate that my parents support education, and although they didn't go to much schooling past high school, they knew it was important for this generation of children to survive in a competitive economy.

I guess the question we have to answer is...how do we support an education system so it provides the most benefit to everyone in the community? Money is a factor, but definitely not the only way to support our education system.

I think the easiest thing we can do it show support for our teachers, not in the form of money, but verbally expressing our appreciation. Also, volunteering in the schools and getting involved. It's disappointing to see people bashing the jobs of teachers when they are so incredibly vital to our children's future.

I agree that checks and balances need to be put in place for all government subsidized organizations, including public schools. They need to be accountable for their spending habits. However, it would be silly to assume that all of the teachers out there are teaching because they love to teach and they would do it for free. I guess in a perfect world, we would all want to make the world a better place with no monetary compensation.

So, how do we teach our children? 

What about the children from poor families...Their parents didn't have access to opportunities, and didn't pursue higher education. Do you repeat the cycle and keep opportunities away from those kids? Often, education (good teachers!!!) gives those kids hope.

What about the gifted and talented children who could be our nations next doctors, teachers, accountants, and lawyers? Do we not offer the programs in our public schools that would encourage them to reach for the starts? Programs for gifted and talented students also requires more funding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to Dassel Grandma: I actually already have two children of my own, I was a single mom for 3 years before getting married 1 1/2 years ago. Do I know how hard it is to support a family? Absolutely! I struggled very hard for a few years. I feel like I struggled more than anyone I know, but it has made me who I am today.</p>
<p>The statistics show that the children of most single parents end up in poverty. How did I keep my kids and myself for being a statistic? Education! I can&#8217;t tell you how much it has empowered me and given me so much hope for the future. I agree I am fortunate that my parents support education, and although they didn&#8217;t go to much schooling past high school, they knew it was important for this generation of children to survive in a competitive economy.</p>
<p>I guess the question we have to answer is&#8230;how do we support an education system so it provides the most benefit to everyone in the community? Money is a factor, but definitely not the only way to support our education system.</p>
<p>I think the easiest thing we can do it show support for our teachers, not in the form of money, but verbally expressing our appreciation. Also, volunteering in the schools and getting involved. It&#8217;s disappointing to see people bashing the jobs of teachers when they are so incredibly vital to our children&#8217;s future.</p>
<p>I agree that checks and balances need to be put in place for all government subsidized organizations, including public schools. They need to be accountable for their spending habits. However, it would be silly to assume that all of the teachers out there are teaching because they love to teach and they would do it for free. I guess in a perfect world, we would all want to make the world a better place with no monetary compensation.</p>
<p>So, how do we teach our children? </p>
<p>What about the children from poor families&#8230;Their parents didn&#8217;t have access to opportunities, and didn&#8217;t pursue higher education. Do you repeat the cycle and keep opportunities away from those kids? Often, education (good teachers!!!) gives those kids hope.</p>
<p>What about the gifted and talented children who could be our nations next doctors, teachers, accountants, and lawyers? Do we not offer the programs in our public schools that would encourage them to reach for the starts? Programs for gifted and talented students also requires more funding.</p>
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		<title>By: CheriLynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>CheriLynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opinions and differences make our world an interesting place to say the least.

My wish is that both sides of the negotiation settle on a fair contract.

And as some have stated prior to this post- Bravo for Teachers!  They truely are molders of the future.  Ask a successful person who it was that inspired them and other than a family member, I bet the majority would state it was a teacher!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opinions and differences make our world an interesting place to say the least.</p>
<p>My wish is that both sides of the negotiation settle on a fair contract.</p>
<p>And as some have stated prior to this post- Bravo for Teachers!  They truely are molders of the future.  Ask a successful person who it was that inspired them and other than a family member, I bet the majority would state it was a teacher!</p>
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		<title>By: Dassel Grandma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dassel Grandma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations DC Grad - this is a major milestone in your life.  I wish you well in your job search, and again, congratulations to you if you have already secured one!!!  Congratulations, too, to your parents for their support in making sure that you have obtained a college degree.  In this country education is power, and most parents want more for their children than what they had growing up.  Obviously you are headed in the right direction!!  It would be interesting to hear from you 10-15 years from now, after you have paid off those student loans, after you are married, after you have a home of your own, after you have children of your own and after you pay approximately 50-60% of your annual salary into taxes (all forms) that you will still support increased taxes.  There isn't much left for our family to spend on us after payment of all those taxes, thus the reason for the lack of support of education levies, etc.  That is the one form of taxation that at least we can vote on!!  Our governmental boards need to be careful regarding those increased taxes - there will be empty homes around the area because the residents simply may not be able to afford the real estate taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations DC Grad - this is a major milestone in your life.  I wish you well in your job search, and again, congratulations to you if you have already secured one!!!  Congratulations, too, to your parents for their support in making sure that you have obtained a college degree.  In this country education is power, and most parents want more for their children than what they had growing up.  Obviously you are headed in the right direction!!  It would be interesting to hear from you 10-15 years from now, after you have paid off those student loans, after you are married, after you have a home of your own, after you have children of your own and after you pay approximately 50-60% of your annual salary into taxes (all forms) that you will still support increased taxes.  There isn&#8217;t much left for our family to spend on us after payment of all those taxes, thus the reason for the lack of support of education levies, etc.  That is the one form of taxation that at least we can vote on!!  Our governmental boards need to be careful regarding those increased taxes - there will be empty homes around the area because the residents simply may not be able to afford the real estate taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Grad</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Grad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lack of support for educators bothers me. I received a pretty good education at Dassel-Cokato. I graduated from high school 6 years ago, and will be graduating with a 4-year accounting degree in the spring. I came from a large, lower income family. I had some great teachers...but best of all, I had teachers that inspired me and now I have the opportunity to make my life better for my children than I had growing up.

Education is the future...and it opens a lot of doors...it gives children hope...

I hope the next generation of children graduating from D/C will have good, hard working, inspiring teachers, that give them opportunity for future success. If you don't think teachers deserve money, you should at least support them for what they do for our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lack of support for educators bothers me. I received a pretty good education at Dassel-Cokato. I graduated from high school 6 years ago, and will be graduating with a 4-year accounting degree in the spring. I came from a large, lower income family. I had some great teachers&#8230;but best of all, I had teachers that inspired me and now I have the opportunity to make my life better for my children than I had growing up.</p>
<p>Education is the future&#8230;and it opens a lot of doors&#8230;it gives children hope&#8230;</p>
<p>I hope the next generation of children graduating from D/C will have good, hard working, inspiring teachers, that give them opportunity for future success. If you don&#8217;t think teachers deserve money, you should at least support them for what they do for our children.</p>
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		<title>By: Cokato MOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cokato MOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable!!!  I cannot belive what I am reading.  It amazes me how much ignorance this community has.  Teachers are human!  Do you not think that they read your statements?  We do not all share the same beliefs or opinions, but lets show some compassion.  After reading this blog, I am ready to put our house on the market.  I do not want my children exposed to such pessamistic views of education.  I may not agree with every decision the DC school board makes, but I do know that the teachers in this distric are top notch!  They truly do care about the success of our students.  In my opinion, teachers are worth every penny they earn.  Of course there is a bad apple in every bunch, but those are to be dealt with on an individual basis by the administration.  I do feel that teachers should be rewarded for their success.  And, trust me, it isn't only math and science teachers who have the greatest impact on students.  My most influential teacher, who taught me to believe in myself, was my Social Studies teacher.  School isn't always about learning math and science, althought they are important to life.  Education is about learning life.  Many of life's lessons are not taught in the classroom.  Some are on the basketball court, speech team, or our place of worship.  School's are one portion to our well being.  We need to support them.  Let's not harass our teachers for wanting an increase in pay to keep up with the standard of living.  They have families too.  Remember when you critisize a teacher, you affect their entire family.  Again, we are all human.  We need to work together.  We need to support or educators as they are the one's supporting our children's success in life.  Do we really know what type of increase the teacher's union is asking for?  No, but I don't think that they are asking for more than what they deserve, and I know they understand the concern of the community.  They are not being greedy, they are trying to support their families.  Remember, they are human too.  No one needs to be criticized like they are.  Again, we may not always agree with decisions made, but we need to work together to get it right!  I truly hope that the teachers union gets what they deserve!  Thank you for all you do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable!!!  I cannot belive what I am reading.  It amazes me how much ignorance this community has.  Teachers are human!  Do you not think that they read your statements?  We do not all share the same beliefs or opinions, but lets show some compassion.  After reading this blog, I am ready to put our house on the market.  I do not want my children exposed to such pessamistic views of education.  I may not agree with every decision the DC school board makes, but I do know that the teachers in this distric are top notch!  They truly do care about the success of our students.  In my opinion, teachers are worth every penny they earn.  Of course there is a bad apple in every bunch, but those are to be dealt with on an individual basis by the administration.  I do feel that teachers should be rewarded for their success.  And, trust me, it isn&#8217;t only math and science teachers who have the greatest impact on students.  My most influential teacher, who taught me to believe in myself, was my Social Studies teacher.  School isn&#8217;t always about learning math and science, althought they are important to life.  Education is about learning life.  Many of life&#8217;s lessons are not taught in the classroom.  Some are on the basketball court, speech team, or our place of worship.  School&#8217;s are one portion to our well being.  We need to support them.  Let&#8217;s not harass our teachers for wanting an increase in pay to keep up with the standard of living.  They have families too.  Remember when you critisize a teacher, you affect their entire family.  Again, we are all human.  We need to work together.  We need to support or educators as they are the one&#8217;s supporting our children&#8217;s success in life.  Do we really know what type of increase the teacher&#8217;s union is asking for?  No, but I don&#8217;t think that they are asking for more than what they deserve, and I know they understand the concern of the community.  They are not being greedy, they are trying to support their families.  Remember, they are human too.  No one needs to be criticized like they are.  Again, we may not always agree with decisions made, but we need to work together to get it right!  I truly hope that the teachers union gets what they deserve!  Thank you for all you do!</p>
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